I don't know!!
It pretty much all depends on Manuel.

I think a core step would be to get the framework development up and runnig again.
The framework is a powerful part of Jabaco and Manuel did right to open it to the comunity.
The comunity was a lot more active when it was still compiling and everyone could download the same 'official' and working version!

http://www.jabaco.org/board/p861-update-…-2.html#post861

There have been numerous requests in the forum to fix the framework problems (fix missing parts, updated, compiled versions) and some members did do the job with detours to support the comunity but those links are buried in the forum.

I don't understand?
Why scaring away passioned and skilled people?

Of course it is very difficult to guarantee the quality and as we see the integrity of the code. Also not everyone might be interested in the same features:

http://www.jabaco.org/board/p391-inputbox.html#post391

But the project would still have its comunity. And things develop as they are on the way!

@Manuel:
I respect what ever plans you have with Jabaco and I am quite happy with what we got here allready.
Just PLEASE fix or help with core issues (like the framework) so we are all in the same loop.

How about a little outlook on future plans! What is the roadmap for a new versions? Throw us some perspective!
A couple of lines in the forum every months...

I think that would be vital to everyones motivation.

Naja, wie auch immer...

Schönes Wochenende


Dani

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I think a core step would be to get the framework development up and runnig again.

What's wrong with the Framework? Its the only part, which is OpenSource.
If you find an error in it, then fix it or mention the error here.

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The framework is a powerful part of Jabaco and Manuel did right to open it to the comunity.
The comunity was a lot more active when it was still compiling and everyone could download the same 'official' and working version!

The "offical and working version" you can find at
http://code.google.com/p/jabacoframework/
You can download the sourcecode, you can modify it and if you contact Manuel for it, he gives you access to modify the files there.
And again: This is the official version.

But because not everyone want to download and compile the sourcecode themself, I create binary versions of it. The last one is
http://jbaindi.googlecode.com/files/Jabaco-rev89.jar

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@Manuel:
I respect what ever plans you have with Jabaco and I am quite happy with what we got here allready.
Just PLEASE fix or help with core issues (like the framework) so we are all in the same loop.

Which problems do you have with the Framework?
If you would criticize the compiler or the IDE, then its ok. Because nobody other then Manuel can change it.
But the Framework is OpenSource. For the Framework you don't need Manuel. You only need him, for giving you access to modify files in the Google Code SVN of the official Framework.
And beside Manuel, there are already fife other people, who have improved the framework:
http://code.google.com/p/jabacoframework/people/list
So, improve it, if you want!

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How about a little outlook on future plans!

His last plan for the IDE was, to use for the GUI-designer Java as backend. So that the controls in the designer are looking exactly like the resulted program.

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What is the roadmap for a new versions?

There are additional negative plans for the future:
- You have to buy a Jabaco license
- He plans that it runs only on your current hardware. If you change some hardware or using an other computer, you need a new license key.
For this reason in the Jabaco Autoupdate there existing an "unique ID" which includes encrypted hardware-information:
[ http://www.jabaco.org/board/p28-news-jabaco-autoupdate.html ]
Manuel have described it anywhere here in the forum. But I cant find it. Possibly he have deleted it.

So don't expect to much from Manuel.
Use the current Jabaco Version. Improve the Framework. And writing independent tools for it, like I have done:
http://jba-tools.googlecode.com/files/FormViewer.jar
http://jbaindi.googlecode.com/files/jbaBuilder002.jar
http://jbaindi.googlecode.com/files/JbaC…rPreview004.jar

No time to do that? Then you have the same problem like Manuel, a lot of other people and I am.

Greatings
theuserbl

Oh, I don't have a 'problem' with the framework.
You pretty much showed me how to compile it and I've got my own version.
But all this might not be obvious to others!
Browsing through this forum I was under the impression that there used to be an easier way to get the framework compiled.
And due to missing sections this is no longer possible.

I appreciate you providing framework updates.
Helped me a lot too. I did mention that before!

I don't see these updates here though:

http://www.jabaco.org/framework.html


And where should someone look for the last version!?
Try to find the last version you posted!
And how do people know it is the last version?

So all I am saying is to get this a bit more structured!
Maybe you can open one thread where only framework downloads (compiled/source as you did in the past) are posted.
That way we can all be sure we really got the last version.

Thats why I was addressing Manuel as an administrator to get the download section updated!
A thread allways gets buried after some time.
'Get the last Snapshot' in the Jabaco IDE was meant to download the last framework version as well.
I suppose Manuel is the only one to fix this too!

About future outlooks...

Hey, I am just curious! And why not ask directly?
Jabaco is a great project ...
and yes I am a bit frustrated with it too.

My guess is a lot of people feel the same way!


Dani