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Monday, July 14th 2014, 2:44am

Jabaco Reverse-engineer (question/request herein)

To be clear, this is a question, not a posting of a PoC.

So, I've been reading the Manuel is MIA and jabaco has been "dead" for quite some time. We haven't seen a new version since 2009 according to the Download page. While the framework is ofcourse OpenSource and it has been easy for us that know java to go ahead an extend some functions, I'm curious if anyone has thought about R-Eing Jabaco in terms of trying to fork it in hopes of extending and expanding where Manuel left off. (Hopefully that will bring him back into development too).

Jabaco IDE can be "decompiled" using a common VB6 decompiler, but of course those aren't 100% and there's more to Jabaco then just that executable. Much has changed since 2009: Windows 7, Windows 8, OSX Lion, Maverick, Android has taken off, etc. I think it'd be atleast cool of an experience to get under the hood and create a community/fan-made fork of Jabaco.

Or of course, Manuel, you could please come back and get this ball rerolling again :-P

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Monday, July 14th 2014, 6:58pm

To be clear, this is a question, not a posting of a PoC.
You have in your post a lot of abbreviations. Do you mean with "PoC" "Proof of Concept" or "Percentage of Completion"? Both makes no sense in your context.

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So, I've been reading the Manuel is MIA
With "MIA" you mean "Missing in Action", right?

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and jabaco has been "dead" for quite some time. We haven't seen a new version since 2009 according to the Download page.
Yes. And in 1.5 months Jabaco 1.5.2 celebrates its 5th birthday. :)

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While the framework is ofcourse OpenSource and it has been easy for us that know java to go ahead an extend some functions, I'm curious if anyone has thought about R-Eing Jabaco in terms of trying to fork it in hopes of extending and expanding where Manuel left off. (Hopefully that will bring him back into development too).
There existing some tools, which showing the GUI of Jabaco-Forms, compiling old Jabaco form programs and so on:
[ FormViewer.jar ]
[ jbaBuilder.jar ]
[ JbaCompilerPreview004.jar ]
[ http://www.jabaco.org/board/756-small-fa…baco-files.html ]
But the biggest problem is the same problem, which Manuel have: the lack of time. There is nobody with enough time to rewrite Jabaco.

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Jabaco IDE can be "decompiled" using a common VB6 decompiler, but of course those aren't 100% and there's more to Jabaco then just that executable.
And it isn't legal. Manuel still wants to improve Jabaco and wants to sell licenses of newer Jabaco versions. He have still plans with Jabaco. And he still pays for the Jabaco.org domain, the server on which it is running, including this forum and so on. And on February he have had updated the forum-software:
[ http://www.jabaco.org/board/1101-something-is-happening.html ]

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Much has changed since 2009: Windows 7, Windows 8, OSX Lion, Maverick, Android has taken off, etc.
I think, that is the reason, why Jabaco needs a new orientation. To load VB6 projects and to be 100% VB6 compatible is more and more unimportant, because with the time, there are lesser and lesser people, who still developing VB6. The most are moved to VB.net and C#.
On the other side, it is more important to see Jabaco as an easy language for new developers. But new developers with no experience in development needing a lot of documentation. I think, the more time is gone, the more important is a good documentation for Jabaco.

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I think it'd be atleast cool of an experience to get under the hood and create a community/fan-made fork of Jabaco.
If you have the time for it, then start yourself a rewrite of Jabaco.

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Or of course, Manuel, you could please come back and get this ball rerolling again :-P
As I sayd, the problem is the lack of time.
Don't expect that Manuel answers for you.
He was at the beginning (2008/2009) a very active member in this forum.
But currently he is on the list of the most active Forum-members on the 5th place:
[ http://www.jabaco.org/board/index.php?page=MembersList ]

On other projects, the developer of the programs are by far on the first place. For example "Erel", the developer of Basic4Android and B4J. Here the lits of the most active members of its forum:
[ http://www.basic4ppc.com/android/forum/members/ ]

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Tuesday, July 15th 2014, 11:50am

Hello,

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Yes. And in 1.5 months Jabaco 1.5.2 celebrates its 5th birthday.
Time went by much too fast ;(
It is strange that there was no time during the last years but I still think that I've more time in future.

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To load VB6 projects and to be 100% VB6 compatible is more and more
unimportant, because with the time, there are lesser and lesser people,
who still developing VB6. The most are moved to VB.net and C#.
Could be right but remember that there are several people with VB6-skills. VB6-developers are able to learn Jabaco very fast.

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On the other side, it is more important to see Jabaco as an easy language for new developers.
I think so too and I think it will be faster to write a new (simple, typical) application with Jabaco than with Java as soon as Jabaco is out of beta.

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I think, the more time is gone, the more important is a good documentation for Jabaco.
More documentation is very welcome. Would be great to see more examples.

Sorry that there are no news and that I can't say how long it takes to release the next version.

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Tuesday, July 15th 2014, 1:31pm

For what it's worth uaktags, I'm still doing production work with Jabaco. I've actually had to rewrite B4J modules in Jabaco, because some features were needed, which do not yet exist in the B4J universe. It's also easier to generate standalone JARs with Jabaco, without having to use a third party tool.

B4J is making progress with their libraries, and their IDE is obviously better polished than Jabaco. But I get more done faster, working in Jabaco, than with B4J or Intellij.


Also, even if the forum community doesn't appear active, you will almost certainly obtain assistance or suggestions, if you ask for it.

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Wednesday, September 24th 2014, 10:57am

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I think so too and I think it will be faster to write a new (simple, typical) application with Jabaco than with Java as soon as Jabaco is out of beta.
most of the people in the forum has gone tired of waiting for OUR beloved Jabaco to be out of Beta and see what are new features added or fixes on the IDE. Hope Manuel could give us a glimpse of his plans for jabaco. a specific date perhaps.(i hear every one reading this says "YEAH").

I learned a lot in this forum, and i actually referred Jabaco to some of my friends and teachers. and some of them actually use it, i remember one of my teacher says if this thing got out of Beta he'll even request for it to be included in the course outline so He could actually teach it to his students.

Sadly.as you all notice its been so long since the last update, and we have no idea where will this piece of good software will be in the future.

try searching Jabaco on the internet, and youll feel different emotions just by reading some the comments or post on some sites. you'll get excited and in the end you'll get sad just by reading the lines indicating that this software is not having updates anymore...

but im still hoping for this software to have an updates regularly. (pray)
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